onsdag 9 september 2015

Post-seminar reflection 1

Starting of with my previous blog post on the two texts pre-seminar, I was trying to grasp the concepts through the eyes of a scientific and empirical standpoint instead of engaging in thought exercises based on the texts themselves. Kant discusses the notions of analytical vs. synthetic judgements, and a priori vs. a posteriori knowledge. Even though I had grasped the notions of a priori and a posteriori, I didn’t quite understand what it was he was trying to say with the notion of “objects conforming to our cognition”, though I do believe now that is the idea of synthetic a priori knowledge.
At the seminar we discussed more closely and within groups of 4 students, what questions and concerns we had regarding Plato’s and Kant’s texts. As the discussion varied from definitions of certain concepts and their ambiguity, to more concrete notions of their effects and practical uses in everyday life, I found myself having numerous things cleared out that before had been blurry and ungraspable. For instance, the, for me initially, obscurity of Kant trying to figure out how one can acquire synthetic knowledge a priori was discussed since few of us understood the reasoning behind it being possible. In short Kant believes that the reason as to why this is possible is because there is no knowledge without people. “The world” wouldn’t exist without us being there to experience it, therefore the forms and categories Kant lays down as our faculties of knowledge are in fact knowledge of the world as it is in itself - seeing as “itself” is the only way it exists - through our perception.
Furthermore, the idea of infinity I discussed in my pre-seminar reflection, and how one could benefit from Kant’s perspective when trying to define it, was also discussed. However, it proved a harder task to define than that of the synthetic judgements a priori. One could argue, that the “knowledge” of infinity humans possess is bound to Kant’s forms of intuition: time and space and can therefore never be an analytical knowledge. This would be because of the fact that the inherent properties of the concept of infinity transcends the idea of space and time, and is therefore something completely different. For instance we discussed during the seminar a future where humans had found a way to live forever. One would no longer age and thus the need for the fundamental conception of time would be superfluous. Perhaps then humans could grasp the notion of infinity, since it could possibly be a form of intuition, as we today grasp the notion of time.

As mentioned, during the seminar all students provided thoughts and discussed questions we had from reading Plato’s and Kant’s texts on knowledge. The preparations I did before the seminar consisted of trying to get through the texts while maintaining a sense of engagement and interest, which proved harder than it sounds seeing as at least Kant’s text was academic in a field and a way I had previously never experienced. However, the question marks one had from reading were answered in both the lecture and seminar held by Johan - as I’ve explained above. Starting of this week, I never thought I'd grasp the concepts as I feel I have , since especially Kant's text was quite hard to follow, but it's been an interesting week and alot has been learned.

6 kommentarer:

  1. I agree it's tough getting through some of these thought-experiments when in most other courses we must make an effort to be as strictly scientific and analytic as possible and we are also used to words having strict definitions. However, I'm not sure philosophy is supposed to be just loose thought-experiments. There are different schools of philosophy – continental and analytic. I read a bit about it and while continental philosophy seems to be sort of about painting new abstract thoughts about large questions (what we as engineering students probably think of as typical fuzzy thought-experiments) analytic philosophy is more about solving problems using logic[1]. I have made efforts to adhere to more analytic ways of thinking during this course and I believe it is possible.

    [1] K Jones (2009), Analytic versus Continental Philosophy, https://philosophynow.org/issues/74/Analytic_versus_Continental_Philosophy

    SvaraRadera
  2. In the seminar, with my group we also discussed about infinity, and if we can make a judgment of it using the categories of knowledge. Obviously not a clear answer had given. We cannot perceive the idea of infinity clearly, since space and time are the forms of our intuition. But I agree with you that if humans could leave forever, “time” would lose its concept and as a result maybe we could understand infinity. In this case also, it is interesting to think that the meaning of whole life it would be different, since it would not exist such a thing as “we live only one life”.

    SvaraRadera
  3. Thanks for a great text! I think the part about infinity is most intresting. For us the existens of time is obvious. In our small group at the seminar we discussed the fact that newborns don't have grasped the concept of time, which is intresting and actually shows us that it is a concept that we experience.

    SvaraRadera
  4. I find the idea of humans through gaining immortality grasping the concept of infinity interesting. I'm just not sure if the concept of time would became superfluous. I think that time for us is necessary so we can perceive change and off course to organise our everyday existence. I think that time in that case would still be a part of our existence but we would have a different view on it. And maybe Kant would have to rethink his forms of intuition.

    SvaraRadera
  5. Hi!
    I find your reflection about infinity really interesting, and I haven't really thought about it the way that you describe it here. I think you convey your thoughts about it in a understandable and graspable way. The fact that time would be superfluous to humans if we lived infinitely long is, as you say, a tough questions to answer. Personally I think, that time will always be a fundamental concept to our life and perceptions. Even though we might live forever, the world around us will still act and keep spinning based on time.

    SvaraRadera
  6. Hi!

    As far as I understand it, “objects conforming to our cognition” can be explained by the school book version of Kant saying "we can't know anything about the world itself, all we can know is how we perceive it through our faculties of knowledge". That is we humans can never observe the world as it is from god's point of view, Because of that we have to accept the fact that we will always look at the world through "colored glasses" where our opinions are are tainted by our past experiences and values.

    Reading Kant really was as close to a punch in the face I have gotten while reading, but I find myself understand more even as I'm commenting. A shame that you can't make a post-post reflection.

    I would have loved to be part of the infinity discussion, seems like it was really interesting.

    SvaraRadera